I found this on another blog, but wow, if these recordings actually exist….the best part is that in the comments section the originator of the posts on the original site comes to this blog and updates the information he has learned since, which includes meeting some of the people mentioned.
Jimi Hendrix, Miles Davis, Quincy Jones, Sun Ra, Roland Kirk…
Note: I found this on the fantastic site http://www.electricskychurch.org, which as of now is non operational. I have no clue how much of this is speculation, but it sure is one interesting read, check it out if you have some time:
Jimi & Miles played together quite a few times, tho’ never in a formal setting. On one of the bootleg tapes I heard (there are quite a few), Miles is on the piano & Jimi on guitar plugged into a tiny amp. This jam is taking place at one of Miles’ infamous parties in his upper NYC townhouse/apartment. Most of the playing is drowned out by the voices & chatter of the party crowd & it’s not really a jam session. It’s more of a learning session for Jimi. Clearly all through the jam, Jimi is lost most of the time, as Miles is comping through extensive jazz chording while yelling out the key changes to Jimi who is playing confusingly on top of the changes. The only time in this jam he relaxes & stretches out is when Miles periodically comps on one chord. Velvert Turner had 2 such informal recordings from Jimi’s own recorder of Miles & Jimi from other time periods.
This jam takes place around the time Jimi was getting more into jazz extensively, which is why he dug Larry Young so much. Larry was forcing him to delve more into jazz as well as forcing him to listen closely to Larry Coryell’s playing. Young’s drummer at the time, Tony Williams, actually got up & walked out in the middle of one of their jam sessions, yelling out to Jimi that he didn’t know his instrument & to learn the language of jazz! ……I have posted on this board a few times how Quincy Jones (who was also close to Jimi) convinced Jimi to take the Berklee College of Music’s correspondence course, for arranging, composition & theory.
Actually, I didn’t want to dive back into this debate, but since someone used an old quote of mine on this thread, I said ‘what the hell’. In my 30 or so years of doing lecture/demonstrations about Jimi on radio, TV & at colleges, I take on all challenges……
I’ve always maintained emphatically that for the most part, either the wrong folks have written books about Jimi or that the right folks were never COMPREHENSIBLY interviewed.
(1) the Allen twins, Tundre Ra & Taharka, who would not only verify the Miles meetings, but more importantly verify the spiritual teaching that MOST folks, even on this board, say Jimi was NOT into (because Jimi himself turned these 2 guys onto the teachings which they still follow today). Their very names reflect this teaching.
(2) Velvert Turner, who in my opinion is one of the 3 main folks really qualified to write about Hendrix with any accuracy. It’s a real tragedy that no one felt it necessary to really document his days with Jimi.
(3) Quincy Jones, who is not only left out of the list of Jimi’s closest friends, but is singlehandedly responsible for getting Jimi & Miles back together as friends after Betty Davis got caught in the affair she supposedly never had with Jimi. Even Alan Douglas verifies how Quincy was going to be actively involved in Jimi/Miles sessions that were upcoming. Considering what Quincy did for Michael Jackson, his work with Jimi would’ve been astounding.
(4) Super bassist/multimusician/model Cleo……A “secret weapon” of Jimi’s he was grooming to be the spearhead of his new Electric Lady movement. He spoke & wrote about her countless times. The only folks I ever heard mention her is Velvert (who unsuccessfully tried to ‘date’ her), Vishwa & Monika. After the death of another close Jimi friend Tom Nitelife, she acquired all of the writings, audio tapes & scripts Jimi left Tom when he found out he was being constantly followed. According to her, she & Betty had a ‘cat fight’ at one of the parties while Jimi & Miles was in the bedroom playing softly.
Miles’ townhouse parties were not closed affairs. They usually spilled out into the uptown streets. Anyone who was hanging in the city at the times of these parties knew about them by ‘word of mouth’ & for the most part, anyone could simply walk in uninvited. Aside from Jimi’s acquaintances, a simple interview with any musician close to Miles, not only during that time but in Mile’s later years (Marcus Miller especially), would once & for all lay to rest this debate of Jimi & Miles informally playing together. Miles himself talked about it many a time. I personally have heard some mindblowing stories of Jimi & Miles hanging/playing informally together by quite a few musicians who played with Miles. Hendrix was a topic Miles never got tired of discussing.
It is also a major myth that no tapes of these informal jams exist. There were quite a few audiophiles who made it their duty to follow Jimi around & tape him. A couple of them have approached me on gigs & either let me hear samples of these jams or invited me to their place to hear some of these tapes. And yea, they are definitely worth ‘killing for’ (altho’ that’s not my style). I couldn’t even get copies of what I heard. They’re priceless & the acquisition of these & other famous folks ‘lost tapes’ is itself a worldwide underground ‘black market’ that would rival the drug trade.
As I type this, I am frantically Googling in the early ’70′s Downbeat magazine archives for an article that comes to my mind of Miles mentioning this very topic…….So far no luck.
Also, I was not the only member of Jimi’s fan club at that time. I’m sure with today’s technology, it is possible to track down other members of the fan club from that era (68-70). My efforts in this endeavor have not been so successful, as the 2 members I did track down (one of them from my H.S.) are both now dead…..My point is tho’ that as I have said on this board before, we (the fan club) prided ourselves as having the most comprehensive “Jimi Watch” on the planet at that time. We knew basically his every move while he was on the east coast/mid west areas & would make attempts to catch up to him at those times, even if it meant us skipping H.S. classes if it was a school day.
Bottom line….. regarding Jimi & Miles informally jamming, I know what I saw & I vehemently stand by it. What we have to do as Jimi fans is not fall into the typical ‘Western arrogance’ that says “If I don’t hear it, see it nor heard about it, then it doesn’t exist”.
Research always rewards the seeker~!
Hey JDB……Thanx for the compliment……. I don’t post to give the vibe that I am THE authority on Jimi Hendrix. True, I was around that scene, but there is much I don’t know & have learned from guys like you & others on these boards, as well as folks with more info than me who approach me on gigs, E-mails me, etc….I’m an avid researcher/documentarian, so I just take it all in.
Personally, the gossip & surmising about him doesn’t interest me. I’m more interested in that “thing” he played IN BETWEEN the notes of his music. This ‘thing’ has a lot to do with the fascination we have about this guy today & is something us players can tap into for our own ascension~!
Regarding the folks I mentioned & some others with more complete knowledge of Hendrix who haven’t published a book/been interviewed in detail, don’t be resentful towards them. Believe me, they would love to throw in their 2 cents, but the truth is no one who has the clout to publish a book is interested in hearing what they got to say. When I last spoke to Velvert, he spoke a lot about trying to get his manuscripts published with no luck. I have seen him interviewed on a few Jimi docs, but that was the guy to sit down & comprehensibly ‘grill’, since I have said here in the past, those 2 were like brothers (or as some have surmised, ‘luvers’). I once called Quincy on a radio talk show where he was one of the panelist & asked him to speak about his relationship with Jimi. He giggled & said “next question”. Not sure what’s up with that.
Art by George Enzlin
28 Notes/ Hide
- fredjoiner likes this
- ralaguerre likes this
- thefarmersblock reblogged this from analog-blog and added:
- thirtynoire likes this
- lloydscott likes this
- soularbliss likes this
- winterinter likes this
- tornandfrayed likes this
- so-treu likes this
- xpayne likes this
- themindofmrsharp reblogged this from analog-blog
- ydr313 likes this
- bryanboova likes this
- sexual-tensi0n reblogged this from iapollogold
- iapollogold reblogged this from analog-blog
- iapollogold likes this
- gh2u said: very interesting!
- gh2u likes this
- afutureancient likes this
- godfatherofsol likes this
- amessofblues likes this
- analog-blog posted this